(messages from the Babels ESF2008 distribution list in Google groups)
This is even more worrying than I thought it was at first. And I don't think I am a hopelessly dogmatic person, really.
Despite the fact that I have always defended the enticement of professional interpreters into our network, it is simply appalling that anyone in the Babels community would justify being paid at all (apart from the full-time job of organising a WSF), lest of all being paid "less" (let's hope the AIIC people don't hear about this) for a smaller meeting, AND the hiring of a private business.
It leaves me completely flabbergasted.
Who would decide which company was contracted and when? The same owner of the business, however trustworthy he may be? Where would the limit be? What would we do if suddenly a non-solidary business decided they were more fit to do the job? Would any company, in all fairness, be able to apply? How do we decide that a company is solidary? Etc, etc. This issue brings on endless dangers and ethical dilemmas that should not be taken lightly or discussed on a distribution list.
I am so stunned I have decided there is no other morally correct option for me but to publish it on the Babels Forum, with no surnames, because I really don't want to make any of this a personal issue (see the unfairness of the Naumann controversy to some of our volunteers).
I could keep on argueing endlessly about the defence of our principles vs. efficiency; professionals vs. non-professionals, and all our other traditional discussions...
This is why I am not going to say anymore about it.
I'm just going to submit it to public opinion. (see Political Discussions in the Babels Forum viewforum.php?f=14
Thankfully, it hasn't happened. And I repeat that this is not about naming anyone (I agree with you, Leda, Robert also seems to me "a great professional, and a very decent human being, who always went out of his way to help Babels, and did so very well and very competently".
This is in NO WAY a personal issue. It is an ethical dilemma, especially because it hasn't happened (yet).
I also agree with you, Leda, in that there is a lot of explaining to be done. Your last mail has left me very surprised indeed. And I think the right place to ask for these explanations would be in either of these two pages of the Forum:viewtopic.php?f=14&t=769viewtopic.php?f=14&t=911
It could be a good idea to post your message there.
Let's talk everything through, openly and in all fairness and transparency.
All the best,
P.S. Maricruz, my age (gender, country of origin and eye colour) are completely beside the point in this discussion. We are talking about defining the volunteer nature of Babels. Or, at least, I am.
ES- sigo traduciendo al español mis mensajes, y los pondré en el Foro en breve. Ver la sección de Political Discussions viewforum.php?f=14
Gracias por vuestra paciencia y un beso.
Date : Fri, 8 Feb 2008 16:18:56 +0100
Local : Ven 8 fév 2008 16:18
Objet : possible ethical issue
I've been reading your e-mails for a while now, from afar, but with
the utmost affection ;-)
I would like to ask whether this issue of paying a translation
business is correct ethically and follows our charter of principles,
and whether it is an informed decision within Babels, that is, whether
all Babels volunteers have been informed of this. It is something that
genuinely worries me.
This is why I think it should be made very clear which services
Robert's business will be paid for by the government. I also think it
should be specified with total transparency and uploaded to our Babels
Forum, if it hasn't been done already. Babels is a network of
All my love and strength for your volunteer endeavours!
María, from Salamanca.
Os he estado leyendo durante algún tiempo, desde lejos, pero con
muchísimo cariño ;-)
Me gustaría preguntar si todo esto de pagar a una empresa de
traducción es correcto éticamente y está de acuerdo con los principios
de Babels, y si es una "decisión Babels" que haya sido tomada con el
conocimiento de todos sus voluntarios. Es un tema que me preocupa de
Por eso creo que deberían quedar muy a cambio de qué servicios la
empresa de Robert ha recibido dinero del gobierno. También creo que
habría que especificarlo con total transparencia en un documento y
colgarlo en el foro de Babels, si es que no está ya ahí. Babels es una
red de voluntarios.
Ánimo con todo y muchos besos,
María, desde Salamanca.
subjectRES: IC meeting in Belem & assembly of social movements
I own an interpreting company here and have my own equipment. The
state government asked for and received a quote from us to do the IC
Has someone (Robert?) been contacted about helping to
organise interpretation for these meetings at the end of next month?
If not, how can we help, Alessandra?
> Il ne faut pas confondre une reunion du Conseil International, qui a besoin de 6-8 interpretes au total, (3 cabines) et un Forum. Tout a fait d'accord pour un Forum, ou il faut priviligier le local, mais aussi inclure l'international pour le compelement et le principe!
> It's important not to confuse an International Coucil meeting which only requires 6-8 interpreters in all (3 booths() and a Forum. I agree that teams for fora should favour the local, whilst also including the international to compelete & also on principle
De : "
I think this all sounds really positive Robert. Ideally, let's hope you can recruit all the local pros for the project as volunteers.
And as to a real training project, great!
About Alis, I think Kate explained a bit to you. Alis is also member of the Ic. The equipment really works. The only word of warning is that the radios bought to use for listening must NOT go to scan mode or they don't stay tuned.
Therefore whoever is in charge of buying them should be careful of specifications being met. (It all worked brilliantly in Bamako in 2006, Nairobi was a mess, because wrong radios bought.) This should be brought up & discussed in IC meeting (by you &/or someone from Alis...)
What do the other people in this group have to say?
Je pense que tout cela est t positif, Robert. De facon ideale, esperons que tu pourras recruter tous les pros locaux pour le projet en tant que benevoles.
Et par rapport a un reel projet de formation, genial!
Sur la question d'Alis, je pense que Kate t'en a touche deux mots. Alis est egalement membre du CI. L'equipement marche reellement. La seule chose dont il faut se mefier est que les radios ne DOIVENT PAS passer en mode scanner, sinon elles ne resteront pas callees sur la frequence selectionnee.
Que la personne responsable de l'achat
Fasse attention de respecter ces specifications. (Ca a marche de facon geniale a Bamako en. 2006, Nairobi c'etait le bordel, car les mauvaises radios ont ete achetes. A mon avis, cela devrait faire partie des sujets discutes lors du CI lors de la discussion sur le FSM a Belem. (C'est toi ou bien une personne d' Alis qui pourrait en parler.)
Quelles sont les reactions des autres membres de ce groupe?
---- Envoyé avec le BlackBerry(r) d'Orange ----
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:16:36
To:Babels en el FSA 2008
Subject: RES: RES: IC meeting in Belem & assembly of social movements
Obrigado pela explicação. Só descobri sobre a reunião do CI umas
semanas atrás quando atendi a solicitação do governo do estado de
encaminhar orçamento para fornecer equipamentos e interpretes para a
Depois, o governo também me solicitou elaborar um projeto para
capacitar voluntários locais como interpretes durante o ano de 2008
para o FSM2009. Na época, estive fora de contato com Babels por mais
que um ano e sabia que precisava reatar as ligações com o grupo, que
agora fiz. O orçamento foi um orçamento normal porem um pouco
conservador (em termos de preço).
Agora que estou novamente ('oficialmente') em contato com Babels,
refarei o orçamento, tentando conseguir interpretes profissionais
dispostos a voluntariar os seus serviços.
Pergunta: se houver disponível interpretes locais (Belém) e que seria
mais econômico do que trazer voluntários de fora, como devo proceder?
Solicitei o governo do estado a desconsiderar o orçamento original e
avisei que encaminharei outro.
Me esforçarei em sempre comunicar abertamente e de forma completa.
Talvez vai entupir as nossas caixas de entrada.
Preciso ficar em dia sobre o que transcorreu no ultimo ano ou dois -
por exemplo, não sei nada sobre esse equipamento ALIS.
Como já mencionei, a minha empresa tem uma metodologia muita boa e
pratica para treinar interpretes de conferencias, que teria o maior
prazer em compartilhar com outros multiplicadores num regime de
Estou muito entusiasmado em fazer novamente parte do processo dos FSs
e agradeço todos aqueles com os quais já me correspondi que me
receberam de forma tão calorosa!
Outro mundo É possível!
Thank you for the explanation. I only found out about the IC meeting a
few weeks ago when I responded to the state government's request for a
quote to provide equipment and interpreters for the meeting.
Afterwards, the government also asked me to prepare a project for
training local volunteers throughout 2008 to have them as ready as
possible for the 2009 WSF. At the time, I had been out of contact with
Babels for over a year and knew that I needed to reactivate my ties
with the group, which I have since done. The quote was a regular,
howbeit conservative (pricewise) commercial quote.
Now that I am again ('officially') in contact with Babels, I will redo
the quote, trying to secure professional interpreters willing to
volunteer their services.
Question: if local (Belém) professional interpreters are available and
would be less expensive than flying in volunteers, how should I
I have asked the state government to disconsider the original quote
and will provide them a new one.
I will endeavor to always communicate openly and fully. That may mean
stuffed inboxes for all of us.
I need to catch up on what has happened in the last year or so - I
know nothing about ALIS equipment, for example.
As I have also mentioned, my company has a very good, hands-on
training methodology for booth interpreters, which I am more than
willing to share with other trainers under a copyleft scheme.
I am very excited to again be part of the SF process and thank all
those who have corresponded with me so far for the warm welcome!
Another world IS possible!
De : Robert
Date : Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:30:09 -0800 (PST)
Local : Ven 8 fév 2008 17:30
Objet : Re: possible ethical issue
Obrigado por levantar esta questão. Tenho este conflito dentro de mim
há muito tempo, na verdade, desde que me envolvi com Babels em 2003.
Estou completamente comprometido em ajudar fazer que este outro mundo
possivel se torna realidade. Uma das ações concretas que realizo é de
oferecer os meus serviços como tradutor e interprete profissional e
bem qualificado ou por preços reduzidos ou de graça, dependendo de
cada caso, para movimentos engajados em militancia social e ambiental.
Tambem arrisquei a minha reputação agressivamente recrutando
voluntarios para Babels em associações de classe e listas de
Acredito no conceito da interpretação feita por voluntarios, mas eu
nao acredito em agarrar numa dogma quando a mesma nao se encaixa com a
realidade. Muitos dos voluntarios, especialmente os da Europa, onde é
bem comum achar pessoas poligotas desde o berço, conseguiram realizar
o serviço de interprete de conferencia de forma adequada nos eventos
do FS. Acho que muitos dos voluntarios com os quais trabalhei em
eventos nas Americas aprenderam a sua segunda lingua em escolas e nao
tiveram conhecimentos suficientes a realizar bem o serviço de
interprete de conferencias. Devemos analisar esta questão de forma
racional e tomar uma decisão livre de dogmas a respeito.
A mesma coisa vale, e talvez mais ainda, no caso de equipamento de
interpretação. Se o sistema alternativo funciona, OTIMO! Fantastico,
pois obviamente seria inviavel pagar preços comerciais para a
quantidade de equipamento necessaria nestes eventos. Mas a experiencia
nos mostra que a maioria das vezes estes equipamentos tem tido muitos
problemas. Não sou contra o uso de equipamentos nem interpretes
alternativos, eu só quero que tudo funciona!
Então, será que o voluntarismo é uma dogma que não pode ser alterada
sob qualquer hipotese? Ou devemos buscar sempre a militancia
voluntaria quando for possivel mas ter como preocupação principal/
maior que os eventos se saiam bem em termos de interpretação? Que
preferem as organizações que compoem o FS?
Outro mundo é possivel, mas ate alcanca-lo, devemos nos abster de tudo
que tem neste mundo presente? Não pagamos linhas aereas, que poluem o
meio ambiente, para transportar os interpretes para cá e para lá? Não
pagamos pelas pilhas toxicas que usamos nos radinhos? São compradas ou
Pessoalmente, acredito que, sempre que viavel, devemos usar
interpretes voluntarios e equipamentos alternativos. Sempre que nao
for viavel, devemos buscar outros alternativos.
Thank you for bringing this up. I have struggled with this issue for
some time, actually since I got involved with Babels in 2003. I am
completely committed to helping make this other possible world a
reality. One of the concrete actions I take to do so is to offer my
services as a highly qualified professional translator and interpreter
at either reduced rates or for free, depending on the case, to
movements engaged in social and environmental activism.
I also put my reputation on the line aggressively recruiting volunteer
interpreters for Babels among professional associations and discussion
I believe in the concept of volunteer interpreting, but I do not
believe in clinging to dogmas to the point where they clash with
reality. Many of the non-professional volunteers, especially from
Europe, where it is quite common to find people who are mulitlingual
from birth, have been able to do sufficiently well as conference
interpreters at SF events. I think that very many of the volunteers I
have worked with in events in the Americas had learned their second
language in schools and were not sufficiently knowlegeable to do a
good job as intepreters. This should be rationally analyzed and some
non-dogmatic decision should be made about it.
The same thing is true, or more so, with regards to conference
interpreting equipment. If an alternative system works, GREAT!
Wonderful, it would obviously be unfeasible to pay commercial rates
for the amount of equipment needed at these events. But experience has
shown that most of the time this equipment has been fraught with
problems. I am not against using alternative equipment or
interpreters, I just want them to work!
So, is volunteerism a dogma that cannot be altered under any
circumstances? Or should we strive for volunteer activisim whenever
possible but have making sure that the events run smoothly in terms of
language translation as our primary concern? What would the
organizations that make up the SF prefer?
Another world is possible, but until we achieve it, should we abstain
from everything in this present world? Don't we pay capitalist,
commercial airlines to carry the interpreters to and fro, polluting
the environment? Do we pay for the toxic batteries that go into the
radios we use? Are they purchased or donated?
I personally believe that whenever feasible, we should use volunteer
interpreters and alternative equipment. Whenever it is unfeasible, we
should look for other alternatives.
date Feb 8, 2008 8:49 PM
subject Re: possible ethical issue
EN (ESP en una horita o así, que tengo que cenar ;-)
Thank you very much for your kind e-mail. However, you didn't answer
my (very indirect) question.
I would like to know what happened in the end with the organising of
interpretation for that famous IC meeting. I have read most of the
mails on this list but it seems to me it was not clear whether you
were paid or not and by whom. It is not even clear whether you
attended or organised the meeting outside this list, let alone whether
we do have a little "ethical issue" at hand. Or a "breach of Babels
Protocol" issue, indeed.
If you weren't paid, then I don't see the problem at all.
If you were paid, then it would be another matter and we would all
have to study it accordingly on the Babels public Forum with total
Of course, you do seem to me a very responsible businessman who runs a
very decent enterprise with solidarity and accountability, but that
has nothing to do with being faithful to the Babels Charter.
Of course we want as many professional VOLUNTEERS as we can get. That
is not the issue. The issue here is a possible conflict of interest.
And I say "possible" because I don't have all the information and
because it seems to me you're a very nice guy who doesn't happen to
agree with the principles of Babels.
I'm awfully sorry if I'm being so sincere here. Maybe I should have
made it sound less harsh, but this is how I feel about it. And you
are, of course, very welcome to tell me I'm wrong. And I am completely
aware of the fact that you have worked in good faith according to your
own principles, but not according to those of the Babels Charter, I
It's almost nine and I'm getting kicked out of my office, I'll
translate this into Spanish when I get home.
All the best to all of you,
date Feb 8, 2008 10:07 PM
subject Re: possible ethical issue
Spanish version of my last e-mail
Muchas gracias por tu amable mail. Sin embargo, no contestaste a mi
pregunta (aunque era muy indirecta).
Me gustaría saber qué pasó al final con la organización de la
interpretación para aquella famosa reunión. He leído casi todos los
mails de esta lista pero parece que no me acaba de quedar claro si te
pagaron, ni quién lo hizo. Tampoco queda claro si asististe a la
reunión, si la organizaste fuera de esta lista, ni mucho menos si
estamos ante un pequeño dilema ético o de incumplimiento del Protocolo
Si no te pagaron, no veo problema.
Si al final lo hicieron, ya sería un tema distinto y habría que
estudiarlo como merece en el Foro público de Babels con total
Sin duda alguna me pareces un empresario responsable, que dirige una
empresa muy decente de manera solidaria y con responsabiliad social,
pero eso no tiene nada que ver con ser fiel a los principios de
Claro que queremos contar con todos los profesionales VOLUNTARIOS que
se pueda. Ésa no es la cuestión. El tema que tratamos aquí es un
posible conflicto de intereses. Y digo "posible" porque no cuento con
toda la información y porque me pareces un tío muy majo que,
casualmente, no está de acuerdo con los principios de Babels.
Siento estar siendo tan sincera. A lo mejor debería haber intentado
sonar menos dura, pero así es como lo siento. Y, por supuesto, puedes
decirme que me equivoco. También soy consciente del hecho de que has
trabajado con buena fe siguiendo tus propios principios, pero no
siguiendo los de la Carta de Babels, creo.http://www.babels.org/article23.html
Son casi las nueve y me echan de la oficina, traduciré esto en cuanto
llegue a casa.
Os deseo lo mejor a todos,
date Feb 8, 2008 9:39 PM
subject Re: possible ethical issue
Obrigado por esclarecer o que era realmente o ponto crucial. Sim, fui
pago pelo serviço. Como Babels nao entrou em contato, por causa de um
problema na base de dados, e o governo estadual, que havia solicitado
um orçamento para a reuniao, mas depois nao me deu retorno, resolvi
participar na reuniao anual da Associaçao Americana dos Tradutores nos
EUA durante o periodo da reuniao do CI.
A minha empresa foi chamada no primeiro dia do evento para fornecer
equipamentos com urgencia, pois o equipamento alternativo nao estava
funcionando, e assim fez. Se isso infringiu a Carta de Babels entao
talvez deveriamos revisar os principios dado os anos de experiencia
acumulada por Babels desde que foram escritos.
Eu ate concordo, em tese, em pagar mais para equipamento e interpretes
alternativos. Usar todo este dinheiro dos organizadores dos FSs,
contudo, é uma enorme responsibilidade moral, e merecem ou
equipamentos e interpretes que funcionam bem desde a primeira vez ou
pelo menos tem uma curva de aprendizagem curta e fazem suas
experiencias entre as reunioes e nao durante elas. Ai que esta o meu
ponto. Frequentemente o equipamento alternativo tem falhado e muitos
milhares de dolares gasto, que é uma soma incrivel se for calcular
quanto custa realizar um FS e depois nao ter a interpretaçao funcionar
corretamente. Isto tem acontecido repetidamente ao longo dos anos e eu
acho que precisamos analisar o que esta ocorrendo de forma critica e
ver o que deveria ser feito a respeito. Penso que trabalhar com
empresas solidarias seria uma soluçao possivel. Certamente nao eh a
unica e eu estou disposto apoiar qualquer soluçao que funciona!
Respondi a sua pergunta?
Thank you again for clarifying what was actually at issue. Yes I was
paid for the job. As Babels did not approach me, because of a database
mix-up, and the state government, which had requested a quote for the
meeting, never got back to me, I attended the annual American
Translators Association meeting in the US during the period of the IC
We were called on the first day of the actual meeting to urgently
provide equipment, as the alternative equipment wasn't working, and
did so. If this is against the Babels Charter then perhaps we should
review the principles to see if they are feasible in light of the
years of experience accumulated by Babels since they were written.
I even agree with paying more for alternative equipment and
interpreters than commercial ones in theory. Using all of this money
from SF organizers, however, is a huge moral responsibility, and they
deserve either equipment and interpreters that can do the job
straightaway, or at least have a short learning curve and experiment
between meetings and not during them. That is my point. Often the
alternative equipment hasn't worked, and many thousands of dollars
spent, a huge amount if one were to calculate how much it costs to
bring an SF together and then not have interpreting function properly.
This has happened repeatedly over the years and I think we need to
critically analyze what is happening and what should be done about it.
I think that working with solidary companies is one possible solution.
Certainly it is not the only one and I am willing to get behind any
solution that works!
Does that answer your question?
A proposito, foi o Governo do Estado do Pará que me pagou
By the way, it was the state government of Pará that paid me
date Feb 8, 2008 11:28 PM
subject Re: possible ethical issue
I don't have enough information about that database mixup. However,
from what I have read on this list, you were not registered in Babels
at the time. I am not registered in Canada; that is why I receive
mails only for Spain.
I think it is great that you were contacted to provide your own
private booths as an emergency solution. Please let us know how that
worked out and whether you were paid for providing only the booths or
for more services. And I think it would be convenient to make it
It is very regretful (and impolite on their part) that the State asked
for a quote and then never got back to you.
It is also terrible that the Alis equipment didn't work, and I would
be very grateful if anyone on this list could clarify that point. Why
didn't it work? Did we have enough technicians? Etc. As it happens,
the fortunate babelita writing these lines has recently helped in
physically putting together an Alis booth in Granada for lack of other
more suitable volunteers ;-)
Our booth in Granada worked. One booth. In Europe, I know (people
repeat to me I live in Europe again and again). I am aware of that- no
need to tell me, I wake up in Europe and I go to bed in the same
continent every night. Our one booth worked in Europe, that I can
witness for. Many more worked in Athens, too.
Now, what worries me is something different.
Of COURSE helping out in times of need is in NO WAY against the Babels
Charter. What would we have done without you, when the Alis booths
didn't work, paid or unpaid?
Of COURSE the Babels Charter can be reviewed, following the Babels
Protocol, anytime but, please, in a PUBLIC and totally transparent
manner, following the protocol.
Or, let's take out the 'please'.
No need to say 'please' to ask for something that is only fair.
Dear Robert, dear all, I believe every babelit@ who signs up
voluntarily to help in our activities has a right to know whether a
State pays someone to do the same job. I am not talking here about
emergency measures. I am saying that, in general, we should follow the
Protocol for these things.
Otherwise it would be extremely unfair for all babelitos acting in good faith.
The Protocol was not created just for fun. It is not some senseless
list of stuff to do to bore you all afternoon and hate sending e-mails
and publishing documents on the wiki. The Protocol is there to prevent
misunderstadings, and to protect us as volunteers from "bad faith" in
The Protocol is there to protect you, us (me, even if it is only from
staying up on a Friday night making sure everyone understands this and
has read the protocol). The Protocol, OF COURSE, is not infallible
either. It could be changed, in theory, by PUBLIC consensus. But not,
IN ANY CASE, on a private distribution list.
In the light of my (very own) personal experience in Babels (though in
Europe, I know there's a difference, everyone keeps telling me), Alis
works. It was OK in Athens.
I really don't think working with solidary companies is the best
solution. But then, that is my (very own) point of view (in the same
way Robert defends the contrary from his very own point of view) and I
would very much like to open the discussion to all the Babels
community at the Babels public Forum to see what everyone thinks.
Finally, no, I don't think that answers my question. You have been
lovely to me and very patient, but this issue is much more complex and
has to be explored. I am awfully sorry if it looks like I am
questioning you or something; I hope you understand that this is a
very spiky issue within Babels and I am doing my best, in good faith,
to ascertain what went wrong.
What really worries me is the following:
Just imagine there is a Social Forum-related meeting next month in the
godforsaken city of Salamanca, Spain. Let's imagine, too, that the
Salmantinians elect a new mayor from a local
left-wing party (I'm letting my imagination really run wild here), and
that someone from his new team contacts me and asks me for a quote to
What would I have to do, in that case? Would I be able, in good faith,
to accept their money?
I don't think it would be right to accept. Especially when it is a
small meeting. A World Social Forum would be different- you need many
people working full-time for months.
I know I don't have all the information- this is why I keep asking
things. I also ignore whether there were any other babelitos in situ,
or whether it was more or less expensive to fly people in. Do tell us
all about these things. I am asking in good faith.
And please don't answer I live in Europe. I think am aware of that, by
now ;-) There are many, many volunteers from the South who are not
being paid. That is why they're called volunteers, precisely.
I think this is where the huge moral responsibility really lies. In
the nature of volunteer work. This doesn't mean we should keep the
money in a shoebox either, if you know what I mean ;-)
I hope I have been able to express my fears without hurting any feelings.
ES- Lo siento, me he explayado, como es habitual en mí, y ahora tengo
que traducirlo al español o, si no, quedaré como una europea
continental que habla sólo lenguas coloniales. ¿Me esperáis hasta
mañana en castellano? Me caigo de sueño y no he cenado. Los temas
éticos me calientan mucho y se me olvida hasta comer. Gracias. Aquí ya
es muy de noche.
date Feb 9, 2008 12:41 AM
subject Re: possible ethical issue
Obrigado pela sua explicação e as respostas tão gentis.
No seu exemplo, eu proporia o seguinte: se você conseguiria fazer
melhor e por menos que uma empresa comercial, então você deveria
fazer. Se Babels consegue fazer bem e de forma eficiente, então a
Babels deve ter preferencia. Se a diferença entre as duas não for
significativa, então Babels deveria ter preferencia. Se Babels por
algum motivo não tiver condições de fazer bem ou de forma eficiente,
então outro alternativo, o menos completamente capitalista e
explorador, deve ser utilizado.
Thank you for your explanation and your corteous responses.
In your example, I would propose the following: if you could do it
better and for less as a commercial company, then that's what should
be done. If Babels can do the job well and efficiently, then Babels
should be given preference. If the difference between them is not
significant, Babels should be given preference. If Babels is unable to
either do it well or efficiently, then another alternative, the least
overtly capitalist and exploitive, should be used.
date Feb 9, 2008 4:01 AM
subject Ethical Issues
Obrigado por esclarecer um pouco mais as coisas. De fato, algo que
para mim é tao aparente que nem mencionei é que nao sou alguem fora ou
contra Babels. Babels como o proprio FS é muito diverso e pluralista.
Venho voluntariando os meus serviços desde 2001-2 com tradução escrita
e desde o FSE em Paris como interprete.
Eu tenho criticado algumas coisas em Babels mas continuo fazendo parte
e pretendo continuar. Para mim, tanto faz eu fazer por dinheiro ou por
idealismo, quero fazer o melhor possivel. As vezes sinto-me que há
gente que pensa que por ser voluntario, nao tem problema se nao for
bem feito. Nisso discordo.
De novo, obrigado por me ajudar me expressar, as vezes falo muito mas
esqueço de pontos importantes.
Thanks for clarifying things up a bit more. Actually, something that
to me was so obvious I forgot to mention it is that I'm not someone
who is outside of or against Babels. Babels, like the SF itself is
quite diverse and pluralistic. I have been volunteering my services as
a translator since 2001-2 and as an interpreter since the ESF in
I have criticized certain things in Babels but continue to be a part
of it and hope to continue. To me it doesn't matter if I'm doing
something for money or out of principle, I want to do the best job
possible. Sometimes I feel that there are people who think that just
because we're volunteers, we don't necessarily have to do a good job.
I completely disagree.
Again, thank you for helping me articulate better, sometimes I talk
too much and forget to mention the key points.